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刚发现的纽约时报刊登的关于郭德纲的文章,要有英语高人就帮忙翻译翻译呗

                   ‘Who’s on First?’ Finds a Home in Chinese Clubs
                          By BENJAMIN HAAS                                
                          Published: March 2, 2011

BEIJING — Guo Degang, wearing sunglasses at night, strutted into the club followed by an entourage of sharply dressed men and was shown to an elegant private dining room in the back. He sat down and held court as friends from out of town presented him with gifts of liquor, rare mushrooms and artwork.

It could have been a scene out of a Chinese version of “The Godfather,” but Mr. Guo is more Ricky Gervais than Don Corleone.

He is a comedian who specializes in a traditional form of performance comedy called cross talk that has undergone a revival recently, largely because of Mr. Guo’s antics. Chinese media have dubbed him “the savior of cross talk” for attracting young and middle-aged audience members to the aging cross talk crowd.

But while the rejuvenated art form has been promoted by the government on some heavily watched television programs, subversive comedians sometimes use it to throw barbs at Chinese politics and society. Mr. Guo, a doughy-faced 37-year-old with a closely shaved head, is seen as a people’s hero for his populist humor, which skewers the police, bureaucrats and celebrities.

“I’m excited to say some things that weren’t allowed on the radio, that television stations wouldn’t air,” was how Mr. Guo began one show in a teahouse, followed by a hearty round of applause.

“Cops beat people just to beat them, yell at people just to yell at them, more viciously than any hoodlum,” he continued. “Meanwhile, gangsters are polite. They’ll help you when you need it. So, who’s the gangster and who’s the cop?”

The Chinese word for cross talk is “xiangsheng,” literally “face and voice.” The art form began during the Qing Dynasty in Beijing as street art. Jokes dealt with familiar themes: troublesome in-laws, regional stereotypes and impersonations. Creative puns were the norm.

Performed in teahouses throughout northern China, it usually consists of two performers dressed in traditional garb engaging in witty banter. Think Abbott and Costello’s “Who’s On First?” One example is a dialogue between a theater director working in Europe and an old friend. The director’s play is about “the three kingdoms,” or in his mind, France, Germany and Italy. But the friend understands it to mean the Three Kingdoms period of Chinese history. Confusion ensues, and audiences laugh.

Throughout cross talk’s history, performers have come from humble backgrounds. Aspiring comedians from poor families studied under a master for three years and performed with the teacher for one season before striking out on their own.

Mr. Guo seems to fit this mold. He started studying cross talk at age 7 and never finished junior high school. In 1995, he left his hometown of Tianjin to open his first club in Beijing.

In recent years, Mr. Guo’s popularity has exploded, and he leads more of a movie-star life than most of his peers. He has opened two more restaurant clubs in Beijing and has appeared in several blockbuster Chinese movies. From his cross talk shows alone, his income last year was estimated to exceed 20 million renminbi, or about $3 million.

But masters like Ding Guangquan, 76, who has appeared on China Central Television’s Lunar New Year gala — the most watched event of the Chinese television calendar — see cross talk increasingly marginalized by political controls and the Internet. Other cross talk elders say the money associated with the form’s popularity has commercialized the shows, watering down the traditional wit.

At the height of the Cultural Revolution, cross talk was exclusively used as a propaganda tool.

“You can’t laugh at how wonderful Chairman Mao is,” said David Moser, academic director of the CET Beijing Chinese Studies program in Beijing, who wrote his master’s thesis at the University of Michigan on cross talk and has been performing on and off for 20 years. “But there was a technique throughout the whole Mao period called ‘putting on the hat and shoes,’ where you start the piece with some revolutionary praising of the party, then you do business as usual, and then at the end you stick on something” revolutionary.

When the Cultural Revolution ended, cross talk performers immediately criticized the Gang of Four, releasing years of pent-up political frustration. But a brief period of openness was quickly quashed.

Today, cross talk topics as innocuous as Beijing’s notoriously congested traffic are forbidden on TV or radio.

“There are a lot of jokes about fake products and tainted food, but none of it gets put on the Internet,” lamented Chu Yang, 31, an avid cross talk fan who travels to Tianjin to see more provocative performances. “If those were put up, everyone would watch them and the videos would get removed immediately.”

Even traditionalists like Mr. Ding, who has been performing for nearly 40 years, acknowledged that cross talk faced fierce competition from online entertainment. The anonymity of the Internet means political humor posted on a blog is far more candid than a cross talk routine.

In recent years, several prominent celebrities have bemoaned cross talk’s decline because of censorship. Mark “Dashan” Rowswell, a Canadian television celebrity in China who gained fame through cross talk, rarely performs anymore. In a 2005 interview with the Chongqing Evening News, Mr. Rowswell said cross talk had become too scripted and had lost its way since going from street art to television spectacle.

Last year, Han Han, China’s most popular blogger and an outspoken critic of the government, declared “cross talk has been utterly destroyed” in a since deleted blog post about the political correctness of the televised New Year’s show.

Even Mr. Guo’s immense popularity could not shield him after one of his assistants got in a brawl with a Beijing television reporter last summer.

As retribution, China Central Television used a government campaign intended to stamp out “vulgarity” in the entertainment industry to highlight some of Mr. Guo’s more lewd jokes. His clubs were temporarily closed and his books and CDs were whisked off bookstore shelves.

Just as the advent of movies greatly contributed to vaudeville’s decline in the 1930s, Chinese people’s access to more outspoken forms of entertainment may one day relegate cross talk to the status of obscure folk art.

“Before, cross talk was a way to communicate with people, to educate people,” Mr. Ding said. “It had to be as good as listening to the radio or reading a book. But today, those performing cross talk are just doing it for the money.”
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“Before, cross talk was a way to communicate with people, to educate people,” Mr. Ding said. “It had to be as good as listening to the radio or reading a book. But today, those performing cross talk are just doing it for the money.”

以前相声是一种与人交流的方式,是教育人的   那谁说
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转个译文,标题为 《谁在一垒》在中国曲艺园子找到了家。《谁在一垒》是美国上世纪四十年代的一段著名相声

北京——夜幕降临,郭德纲带着墨镜,大摇大摆地走进剧院,几名衣着光鲜的男随从紧随其后,他被请到了后台一间高雅考究的私人餐厅。一俟落座,立刻成为全场的焦点。从外地赶过来的朋友们纷纷向他呈上好礼,有美酒佳酿,有珍稀菇菌,也有一些艺术品。

我们本可以把这种场景当做是中国版《教父》中的一幕,然而,相对于考利昂老头子(Don Corleone)来说,郭先生更像是中国的瑞奇•热维斯(Ricky Gervais,注:英国喜剧明星,以毒舌著称)。

郭先生是一名相声演员,在中国,这种传统的表演形式最近正逐渐复兴,而这在很大程度上得益于郭先生在舞台上精彩诙谐的表演。由于郭先生的表演吸引了许多年轻观众和中年观众加入原本老年化的相声听众群,中国媒体将郭德纲誉为“中国相声界的救世主”。

这种正在逐渐恢复活力的艺术得到了政府的大力扶持,在一些收视率较高的电视节目中频频露面,然而一些激进的相声演员们有时会利用这种机会针砭时弊,对中国的政治、社会现状冷嘲热讽。现年37岁的郭先生,面若满月,天庭饱满,地阁方圆,青皮发型剃得一丝不苟,由于他极具平民主义的幽默感,时常对警察、官僚、名流大加讥讽,被广大中国老百姓奉为人民的英雄。

“今天大伙儿都很热情,咱们说点儿电台不让播的,电视台不让放的,”这是郭先生在某个茶馆里开始演出前的一段开场白。此言一出,台下爆发出一阵发自内心的叫好声。

“有的警察说打人就打人,说骂人就骂人,比流氓还狠了,”他接着说,“有的流氓,客客气气的,什么事儿都帮得了你,谁是流氓,谁是警察?”

所谓“相声”,字面意思就是面相和声音。这门艺术大约起源于清朝,当时在北京只是一种街头艺术。相声讲的都是一些段子,题材也都是大家所熟知的,比如,招人烦的亲家、当地的老规律、模仿等等。妙趣横生的双关语则是相声的拿手好戏。

在中国北方各地的茶馆里,我们都能欣赏到相声表演。通常是两名相声演员,身着传统的长袍马褂,极尽诙谐逗乐之能事。就好像是艾博特(Abbott)和考斯坦罗(Costello)的美国相声节目“谁在一垒?”(Who's on First?)其中有个例子就是一位在欧洲工作的戏剧导演及其朋友之间的一段对话。这位导演的戏剧讲述的是“三国”的故事,在他的思维中,这三国是指法国、德国、意大利。而他的朋友却理解为中国历史上的三国时期。于是,两人的对话中混乱迭生,各说各话,观众爆发出阵阵欢笑。

纵观相声史,所有的相声演员都出身卑微。家境贫寒的相声演员满心抱负,师从相声大师学满三年,然后再和师傅一道登台表演一季,之后才能出师,自立门户。

郭先生似乎也是遵循这种模式。他7岁就开始潜心学习相声,并未完成初中学业。1995年,他离开了家乡天津,在北京创办了自己的第一个剧场。


近几年来,郭先生的人气急剧上升,和他的大多数同辈师兄弟相比,他现在过的更像是电影明星式的生活。在北京,他又增开了两家兼营饭馆的剧场,还曾出现在多部中国本土大片中。单就他的相声表演收入,去年一年的进账就超过了2,000万人民币(合三百万美元)。

然而,像已经76岁高龄的丁广泉这样的相声大师却认为,相声正受到政治控制和互联网的排挤,逐渐边缘化。丁广泉曾经在中国中央电视台的春节联欢晚会上登台献艺,春晚是中国收视率最高的跨年盛会。其他一些相声界前辈认为,这种艺术形式的人气和钱联系在了一起,让相声表演变得商业化,冲淡了相声艺术中蕴藏的中华民族传统智慧。


而在文化大革命的鼎盛时期,相声则被当成了专门的宣传工具。

莫大伟(David Moser)是CET北京中国研究项目(CET Beijing Chinese Studies)的学术负责人,该项目在北京开展。他告诉我们,“当台上的演员颂扬毛主席有多么多么伟大时,这时是不能笑的,不过在整个毛泽东时代都流行这样一种做法,叫做‘穿靴戴帽’,就是说在写文章或讲话前,要硬加进一些对党和领导人的革命性歌颂之辞,然后就和平常一样该干什么干什么,等到结束的时候,要再次表明你的革命立场,首尾呼应。”莫大伟在密歇根大学完成了以相声为主题的硕士论文,20年来,他一直在断断续续地进行相声表演。


文化大革命结束以后,相声演员们旋即开始批判四人帮,宣泄着多年来被压抑的政治挫败感。然而好景不长,在短暂的开明期之后,相声又遭到了压制。

时至今日,一些无伤大雅的相声题材,比如北京臭名昭著的交通堵塞,也不能在电视或广播中公开播出。

“其实有很多玩笑都是有关假冒伪劣产品和有毒食品的,不过都没有被放到网上去,”31岁的骨灰级相声粉丝楚阳(Chu Yang,音)遗憾地说道,“如果这些被放到网上的话,每个人都能看到,不过视频又会马上被删掉。”

即便是像丁广泉先生这样从事了将近40年相声表演工作的传统派,也承认相声面临着来自网络娱乐业的激烈竞争。网络社会的匿名性就注定了博客上发表的政治幽默文章,要远比一档相声节目来得直白得多。

最近几年来,许多社会名流都曾为审查制度造成相声行业的衰退而扼腕叹息。在中国发展的加拿大籍电视明星大山(Mark “Dashan” Rowswell)通过相声在中国走红,现在却很少再说相声了。2005年,在《重庆晚报》的一次采访中,大山先生表示,自从相声从街头走进电视,就陷入了迷惘之中,相声变得过于照本宣科了。

去年,中国最受欢迎的博客作者、对政府直言不讳的批评者韩寒曾在一篇事后被删掉的博文中宣称,“相声已经完全被毁掉了。”这篇博文的主题是春晚的政治正确性。

在去年夏季,郭德纲的一位助手和北京电视台一名记者的打架事件发生后,即使郭先生拥有如此高的人气,也没能让他幸免于难。

为了让郭先生尝尝他们的厉害,中央电视台发起了一场在娱乐业“反三俗”的政府性运动,特别针对郭先生相声中一些低级粗俗的段子。郭先生的剧场被暂时关停,在各大书店,他的书籍、音像制品也被全部下架。

正如上世纪30年代电影的到来在很大程度上导致了杂耍业的衰退一样,如今中国老百姓得以接触更直接的娱乐形式,也许在某一天,相声就会沦落为一种生僻的民间艺术,乏人问津。

“从前,相声是一种和人们交流的方式,能寓教于乐,”丁广泉先生说道,“听相声,就必须和听广播、看书一样有益处。但是今天看来,这些说相声的只是为了钱在说相声。”
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嚯,彪哥成了老郭的助手了。
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这美国哥们儿纯属吃饱了撑的。
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闲的蛋疼,需要淡定,美国人太闲了……
既无安邦之志,也无定国之才。
吃饱一日三餐,扫清门雪霜檐。
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这篇报道是当天纽约时报国际版的头条
个人感觉就是德云社在为全球巡演打广告吧
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"文化大革命结束以后,相声演员们旋即开始批判四人帮,宣泄着多年来被压抑的政治挫败感。然而好景不长,在短暂的开明期之后,相声又遭到了压制。"
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写的挺好的

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这篇文章有一个地方说错了,丁广泉今年是67,不是76,其他的还好,虽然带有典型的西方价值观念,不过说的也大致都是事实,只是这些话从美国人口里说出来,难免要让中国人感到不好接受
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